I’ve been having a conversation with this guy on DeviantArt in a comment thread on this New Democratic Party logo image that I did, and wanted to post it in its entirety for the enlightenment and entertainment of all you fine folks out there. Enjoy!
Stalin-Fan: The new Republican symbol is nearly identical, just with the head in the ass rather than in the ground.
Miketheartist : Says the person calling himself a fan of one of the most evil people in the 20th century. Your opinion is noted, thanks for playing…
Stalin-fan: It’s a joke, genius. But I understand, the absurdity of my avatar just screams reverence.
Miketheartist: Which part was the joke, the head up the ass comment, or your screen name? Just curious…and just FYI, I have issue with a lot of the ass hats on the right side of the aisle too. The Dems are just more fun to poke at
Stalin-fan: My screen name, I’m neither a stalin-fan nor a communist. It’s just a stupid joke because my beliefs often get me branded a communist or stalinist by people who don’t know what either are. I agree that democrats are fun to pick on, in that they’re mostly defenseless and pitiful. But the right certainly provides far more material, they’ve become a textbook on how to sink a party to the bottom of the barrel.
Miketheartist: I feel that way about the ‘Rats…at the very least, they (the Repubs) haven’t slid toward Socialism in the last 40 years…I’m just tired of the Liberal Progressive inundation of our society. When I see kids in 3rd grade singing about Barack Obama, or the 99%, instead of learning, oh I don’t know, math, language, history, it steams me. If we are truly to be a free nation anymore, that has to stop. And we the people have to stop it. And I understand about your screen name. My beliefs have had me branded as a racist, bigoted, homophobic, gun loving, grandma killing, planet hating, greedy, money hoarding fascist.
Stalin-fan: Ah. I share your criticisms of modern “progressives”, although were I to honestly label myself, I would be something of a meritocratic/democratic socialist.. I would hope this isn’t the part where you label me a radical commie stalinist…
Miketheartist: No, I just respectfully disagree with your viewpoints, and think they have no place in a free society. I agree, somewhat, that we should be more of a meritocratic society, but I disagree that socialism is the way to make that happen. Look at the public education system in this country and the unholy alliance of government and teachers unions. More government control means less and less freedom to choose and promote the people you want around you, working for and with you, and leads to (in my opinion) a society that has little or no merit.
Stalin-fan: I don’t think you really know what Socialism means. It doesn’t mean the Soviet Union or Communist China. Socialism just means all citizens contributing to the whole in some degree to benefit all. When we pay our taxes and as a result receive free fire and police service, libraries and education, that is Socialism. The only freedom it would impede is the freedom to grow fat and live in a palace while other citizens rot and starve on the street. It’s not even a matter of more or less government, just different methods of governance.
You could make the case that it is morally wrong for the government to use force if a wealthy person doesn’t pay their taxes, essentially ‘robbing’ them. But I simply don’t buy that. No one gets rich on their own. So if someone attains success via the society, then does not give back to the society afterwards, then they have stolen from the society. They have stolen money, time, resources, labor, education, etc.
And I really don’t want to delve into your “unholy alliance” comment. That’s some far-right Bachmann-esque quackery that I’m just not interested in discussing.
Miketheartist: Really? So because I don’t believe as you do, I’m uninformed? Socialism is an economic system characterized by social (government) ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system. The Soviet Union’s full name was the United Soviet Socialist Republic. The Nazi party’s full name was the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. Look at where Greece is today. Or Italy, or Portugal, or Spain. Hell, China is actually moving toward a more capitalistic system because their people are tired of working in sweat shops. It’s the system where the government owns companies, owns the housing, owns the stores, owns the hospitals, and doles those out to every person based on their perception of what that person needs. “From each according to their ability, to each according to his need.” If you believe that society should be merit based, where does merit come into play in a Socialistic society? If we are paying taxes to support the fire and police departments, or the libraries, or public education, how are they free? In fact, those services, and not many more, are the only reason for government to exist in the first place. Also in that regard, I think that the school system should be privatized, because since government took control of it back in the late 70′s, it’s been on a downward spiral. If socialism is so great and wonderful, why has it failed everywhere that it’s been implemented? Because it negates personal freedom. It also confounds innovation, squelches competition, reduces prosperity for the nation as a whole, and gives no incentives to the populace to do anything more than their “fair share.” Please don’t think that I think taxes are wrong, they are not. But when you have a Progressive, graduated tax structure, instead of a flat tax rate for everyone, it leads to cheating and trying to get favors from the government. If our capitalistic society is so bad, why is it that the poorest in this country are better of than the poor of any other socialist nation? Also, how do you guys keep spouting the same talking points about “no one gets rich on their own”? Millions of people in this country have gotten wealthy on their own merits, and yet you guys continue with this line that they have stolen their wealth off the backs of the workers that have themselves gotten wealthy. How is it stealing when the business owners (job creators) have paid capital gains taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, trade tariffs, on top of paying the normal costs of doing business and paying their employees to work for them? Bigger, all inclusive, government is not the answer, my friend. It’s the problem. Go read my blog, maybe it will enlighten you…
Now, I have to get back to work, supporting myself and my family, like a good little capitalist. Have a good one, Comrade.
Stalin-fan: If you know what Socialism is, why haven’t you spoken a word about it? What you’re talking about here is totalitarian Communism, not Socialism.
And no, no one does get rich on their own. They need buildings built by construction workers (trained by the society), they need workers (trained, housed, and fed by the society) and they need training themselves (from the society.) And all the other people involved are, guess what! The society! You can not get rich on your own if it requires the cooperation of other people. (It’s really sad that I have to explain that.)
Socialism itself is the idea that we all do better the more we help one another. And yet every time that concept comes up, you people scream and howl about totalitarian communism. And then when people point out that you haven’t the faintest idea what you’re shouting about, you throw a tantrum and hurl insults and condescension like a spoiled child.
Now I’d love to read your blog, but if the knowledge and self-control you’ve displayed here is any indication, I think I’d learn more from Spongebob Squarepants.
Miketheartist: Actually that definition at the beginning of my last entry is the textbook definition of Socialism. I think you’re being overly sensitive, because I’ve done none of this screaming and howling that you accuse me of, and you’re the one that’s calling me uninformed, condescending and lacking in self control. If you cannot support your points without demonizing me, then how are you going to convince others that feel more strongly than I do? Construction workers trained by society? More like trained by private industry in the form of trade schools who teach for profit. Workers trained, housed and fed by society? More that they sell their labor for money to their employers and buy and rent what they need to survive in a capitalist society. I’ve seen more innovation from self educated, self employed people in my lifetime than from someone on the government teat. And I count myself among them. Every one of the countries that I named in the last post practices, or practiced, textbook socialism and they are paying the price for it. Now, if you want to have a meaningful conversation about our differences in opinion, fine. But I will not continue with this if you keep insulting me and what I believe. All I have done is present you with facts and truth, you are the one reading tone into these comments.
Stalin-fan: I implied that you lack a thorough understanding of Socialism, which you clearly do, and you threw a tantrum. Now you’re attempting to portray me as the unbalanced one?
Sorry, I’ve lost interest. Clearly there is nothing I can gain from your mind, and you aggressively reject all that comes from mine. So I’ll be on my way.
Miketheartist: Tantrum? I was merely questioning your belief system, just as you have questioned mine. Sorry you couldn’t come up with good, logical answers to those questions. Later, Comrade…
Stalin-fan: Oh look, more poorly disguised passive-aggression. It’s too bad that passive-aggression almost never accompanies actual knowledge of equal proportion, and is often simply a refuge of an unenlightened pompous douche bag who thinks he understands the world, but actually hasn’t a clue of anything he speaks of.
It’s a neurological defense mechanism to prevent your brain from the staggering realization that it knows absolutely jack shit. It’s cute, you’re like a little baby who’s brain just gave up around age 6.
I should say that at this point he blocked me, so did not see the following response.
Miketheartist: Sorry, brother, I’m still not going to take your bait. Have a nice day believing whatever you choose.
Thanks for reading!